EV vs Gas

I’m late to this comparison, but I didn’t have a reason to pay attention to electric vehicles (EVs) until our trip to Denver in July. As seems to be the case regularly there, the rental car company didn’t have any available inventory of gas vehicles, even though that’s what we booked. I’m actually starting to wonder if they have any gas vehicles because it’s suspicious that they thrust these EVs on customers so consistently. Here are some quick thoughts on an EV after experiencing it, but also the gas usage versus electricity usage math comparison we did while there.

EV EXPERIENCE: THE NEGATIVE

It started out stressful. Had we been given a tutorial or any guidance at all, it may have started out easier. However, we started the trip by having to wait in a 90 minute line to even get the car. Then we were greeted by a disgruntled employee who had no intention of helping us. Then when Mr. ODA tried to talk to a manager, she just kept saying “we don’t have any gas vehicles. I can’t do anything for you.” Well ma’am, you could maybe take 2.5 minutes and quell all our fears of the unknown, in a foreign place, while traveling with 3 kids that are 5 and younger.

The biggest issue was our timing. We arrived later in the day, needed to get the kids fed and their bedrooms set up, while also allocating enough time for them to just play and have fun since we’ve been traveling all day. The next morning, we planned to get out of the house and head to the mountains. That’s the problem. We don’t know our range. We don’t know where to fill up or how to fill up. We do know that charging it is not a 4-5 minute process like filling up a tank of gas. We do know that there aren’t super chargers everywhere. There was a lot of “I don’t know what I don’t know.”

Luckily, a friend of ours recently had a similar experience, and she shared some tidbits with us. For instance, there are multiple charger apps you need to download. Then once you download all of them and use the map to figure out where in town the closest one is to what you’re doing, you have to figure out what the data means. “6.6,” $ vs. $$$, “fast charging.” There were different filter options in different apps, but no legend on what these terms mean.

The first charge came while Mr. ODA dropped us off at McDonald’s, drove down the block to a “fast charger,” ran down to eat with us, then ran back to get the car and pick us up. This wasn’t ideal. This was really affecting our trip with this dark cloud hanging over us trying to figure out how to efficiently charge this thing. Plugging a car in while trying to entertain 3 kids for 45 minutes wasn’t how I expected our trip to go.

EV EXPERIENCE: FIGURING IT OUT

ChargePoint ended up being the easiest to use. They have a lot of stations around Denver, especially free ones. We looked for places to eat a meal where we could utilize a free charger and take advantage of the “down” time. It involved walking a block or two each time, but it gave us the peace of mind to get through the next phase.

One morning, we went to Red Rocks. There were a few free charging stations in the parking lot. We plugged in, spent two hours exploring the place, and received about 80 miles on our range, which was plenty for the next day of our trip. That night, we went to a concert at Ball Arena. Instead of parking where most of the other concert-goers parked, we went one block further and parked a well-lit, clean garage. We had to pay to park in the garage, but the charging station was free.

We also learned how to utilize the charging available within the car itself. EVs don’t “coast.” They have regenerative braking. You basically drive the car only using the accelerator, and don’t use the brake. You slightly hold down the accelerator to keep the car moving as you approached a stop, and it charges as that happens. There were different levels you could put the car at to take advantage of this charging process.

GAS VS ELECTRIC COSTS

We spent time figuring out the apps and the types of chargers. We avoided the chargers that had flat fees on top of the kwh charge cost. Almost all of the chargers had a “parking fee,” which meant that if you remained plugged in after the car was fully charged, they’d charge you by the minute for taking up that space. It makes a lot of sense since charging spots are limited, and you want to disincentivize people just walking away from their car for hours.

After we figured out the process of how to use the vehicle and the charging locations, we were able to do some math on the cost per mile. We specifically charged the vehicle either at free locations or in off-peak charging time (there is variable pricing on some chargers). We calculated that the cost per mile came about a few cents higher than if we were in a gas vehicle. However, that could be higher if you were charging during peak time or you needed to use the fast charging locations more often based on your vehicle distance/use. Gas prices in the Denver area were in the high $3.20s to low $3.30s, and we calculated a charge equivalent of $3.34.

There is the opportunity cost of your time. It only takes a few minutes to fill your car with gas. You’re not walking away from an EV charging location in less than 20, and it’ll likely be longer. If you have the ability to charge at your house, while the car is in the driveway, then it changes the equation. Since we were at a rental, that wasn’t an option available to us.

EV EXPERIENCE: END RESULT THOUGHTS

After the initial anger and fear of the unknown subsided, I’m not against EVs. If you can charge them at your own home, they’re great. They’ll get you around town just fine, and you’ll have the convenience of it charging while you’re home and comfortable. Your home charger won’t be a fast charger, but having it plugged in overnight for that 10-14 hour charge wouldn’t be an inconvenience.

I wouldn’t take them on long road trips. There would need to be careful planning of your charge range compared to where charging stations are. Unless it’s a truly a fast charger (15-20 minutes, and more expensive), you’ll need to plan to be somewhere for hours to get a charge. Then there’s the fear of availability when you arrive there, and whether you’ll get a spot because it’s not likely you can just travel down the road a few miles to find another station.


I wrote the initial draft of this in August. So it’s interesting to say – we bought an EV.

November Financial Update

We bought a hot tub! It’s something that we’ve been talking about for almost a year, went looking at in May, and then finally ordered it last month. It was delivered and set up this week.

RENTALS

We replaced the roof on one of the houses. I go into that a little more in the ‘insurance’ section, but that was a $6,300 payment that was made.

INSURANCE

The fact that I have a separate category to cover my insurance efforts is just frustrating.

Last month, I complained that we were threatened with our liability policy being dropped because we didn’t provide the necessary documentation … that. we. were. never. asked. for. So I dropped everything and got the documentation as fast as I could, while being praised for my organization and response time as usual. Then a few weeks later, I was told that our policy has expired because they couldn’t get to our documentation review fast enough. Awesome. I love the one way street. We were finally informed that everything was reviewed and our policy was reinstated with no lapse in coverage. I paid that policy.

During that process, we were informed that one of our policy providers does not qualify to be covered under our liability policy because their company rating fell below A. Ironically, we had already pulled all but this one policy from this company. We requested a quote from another agent, but she said they couldn’t write a policy on the account at this time. It’s frustrating to me that once you file claims on your insurance (which it’s there for), you’re blacklisted. There were no claims for 8 years of rental properties and 12 years of homeownership, but that doesn’t matter. Since 3/4 of our claims in the last year are all in the same location … all those houses were hit by the same wind storms to cause damage. I certainly didn’t request trees to fall on two houses. Add in that the damage to our house was severe, making our policy pay out high for the last year, so getting new insurance policies where necessary (and on houses with no claims) has been difficult. There’s nothing to say we can’t keep this policy on this house even though the rating declined (which I would have never even known about), so we’re not stressing about it.

One of the wind damaged houses with a claim caused that company to drop us. That’s fine. I have been working on this replacement since September 23rd and finally got everything squared away on October 31st. One of the frustrations on that was that I’d ask multiple questions, and this guy would either not respond to an email or respond to half of it. One of my complaints was that my original request was for $500k of liability coverage (which is higher than offered on most policies I’ve had written, but is the minimum required for our liability policy), but he wrote it at $1 million. I asked for it to be lowered no less than 4 times. He finally responded when I got stern and called out the lack of action; he said that since it’s only about $25-30, they just go ahead and do it. I finally said (again) that I have liability policies that give me extra coverage, so I don’t want my individual ones to give extra coverage “just because,” and that it’s up to me to decide whether that $30 is worth it. He finally reduced it. The new policies are $510 more than the policy we were covered with that got dropped.

Oh – the original policy that we got dropped from included two houses. It wasn’t clear whether the company was dropping both houses, but I went ahead and switched both. I was hoping that the new policies would be written like all my other houses – individually. Unfortunately, it’s under one company and they handle things the same way, so both houses are tied together under one policy number again. I have multiple houses covered by Travelers, and they’re each on their own policy. I don’t understand why these houses get lumped together.

Another house of ours was given “high risk” insurance because of our roof condition. Our partner didn’t tell us about the transfer of insurance or the reason why. I discovered it when I received weird paperwork for our liability policy (which, ironically, now that I think of it, my liability coverage didn’t call out as odd, but they weren’t happy about that company getting downgraded…hmm). I discovered this on September 6th. I started getting quotes for roofers immediately, but that process took forever. I finally got the roof replaced on October 18th, and then I requested her to find us new insurance on October 31st. We have a new policy being issued effective November 15th, which will cancel the higher insurance. The total savings equates to about $450, but it’s still over $300 more expensive than the original one that we walked away from.

TAXES

Central KY taxes were due this past month. I paid 4 houses worth of taxes. 3 were cashed immediately. I pay via online bill pay, where they send the check on my behalf, instead of online because there are fees associated with that. Well, now one of them is floating out there without my knowing what to do next. There’s a 2% discount if you pay before 11/2, and that check didn’t get cashed by that deadline. So now I have to make phone calls to track down why the check I sent via bill pay didn’t arrive, even though another one arrived just fine. I also have a city that I have to pay a small amount of taxes to, and I’m waiting for those two checks to cash as well.

NET WORTH

Our net worth is almost $100k over last month’s. Not reflected in the credit card yet is the payment for the hot tub that just happened this week. By next month’s update, I’ll have to pay off the 0% interest credit card, so the total credit card number probably won’t change drastically.

October Financial Update

I feel like I have a lot of balls in the air right now, but looking at our finances, they don’t say that there have been a lot of charges. However, this post sure says that I’ve been juggling a good amount of things over this last month, and most of the issues are related to insurance in some way (and I despise insurance!).

Last month, I mentioned that we had two large charges hit our credit card. One that I purposely held off until the new credit card cycle (an insurance charge) so that the previous month’s credit card was lower than average (psychological play for myself). Then we had the electrical work completed on our deck rebuild, and that was another significant balance that needed to be paid. After that, we just had a a few medium-sized, if you will, charges that hit. I paid an extra payment to keep the balance closer to the $3000-3500 range. Well, it didn’t work. Another two service calls to rental properties and the dog’s annual vet appointment, and we were back up to $6k. We have the cash to pay it off every month; it’s just not something I want to see!

When we have a large purchase, we open a new credit card. The new credit card gives us some sort of bonus, and we get 0% interest for 12-15 months, typically. Last Fall, we replaced the carpet on the first and second floor of the house for over $10k. I paid $500 per month up until last month’s payment. The balance wasn’t a round number, so I went ahead and paid that little bit while also upping the payment to $1000. That balance is at $7,000 now and will need to be paid by December 13th. The new credit card will be used to purchase a hot tub and pay for the electric work associated with that (as well as an electrical panel upgrade).

INSURANCE CLAIM

Since our deck work is now complete, we submitted a request for additional funds. The concrete replacement was controversial in the claims process. They eventually agreed to pay for it, but they held back a significant amount of depreciation on it. We submitted the final work order showing the concrete costs and that the job was complete, and they sent us a check for about $6,550. Additionally, the electrical work was projected to cost about $1,700, but it actually was about $3,500. Luckily, we submitted the invoice and, with no questions asked, they cut us a check for the difference.

Just for the record, the job was never fully completed. Mr. ODA pulled up deck boards and retrofitted the waterproofing. We never paid out the final payment. The City’s inspector came out and started asking a bunch of questions, and the foreman finally acknowledged that they hadn’t completed the waterproofing. We didn’t tell them we fixed it, but we have no intention of being in touch with them again. Outside of the waterproofing and concrete subcontractor issues, the contractor was great at the work he does – but they should stick to simple deck construction.

PERSONAL CHARGES

We actually had a low number of transactions over this past month. We took a trip, which I covered in my last post. Mr. ODA negotiated a refund of some of the cabin charge since we booked it with a hot tub and discovered at 8 pm that there was no water in the hot tub. They refunded 10%! We had our typical charges that occur monthly, and I paid several health insurance bills for various reasons.

RENTALS

Luckily, everyone has paid their rent this month. We have $750 outstanding, but it’s not technically due until the 19th with how I’ve structured their lease. One person did pay half her rent late (on the 15th), but I didn’t charge a late fee since she actually paid when she said she would this month (always a gamble). We had a few smaller maintenance issues come up in the last month, as well as a range replacement at a property that will be installed this Saturday.

  • INSURANCE

Due to a claim on one of our properties, that insurance found a reason to drop us. They notified us that we have a couple of months to find new insurance. I’ve been working on that for the last 3 weeks. It hasn’t been easy. They want pictures and then want all different angles, as if it’s my home and I can just take these pictures on a whim. Then for some reason, the agent I found through a local real estate group is great about answering questions on one property, but won’t answer questions on the other. It’s pretty frustrating. As of 10 minutes ago, I at least got the policy executed on the one he hadn’t been responding on. I started this process on September 23rd and got this run-of-the-mill policy executed today – ugh. So that’s over $900 going on the credit card today.

We have a roof replacement occurring on a property in VA tomorrow. I found out that our partner switched insurance companies without us knowing. That seems fine, except that I discovered our policy went from $600 to $1400. It turns out, he switched because that original insurance company was requiring a roof replacement. Conceptually, that’s annoying because they find some action for us every year with no warning or previous mention of something being on a watch list. However, it turns out that the roof was bad enough that no one would insure us. Again, I’m finding all this out after the fact. Our agent found someone to cover us for short term, and we’re paying a hefty premium on that. As soon as I found out, I requested quotes from roofers. I signed a contract 3 weeks ago, and that’s finally under way with materials dropped off this morning. As soon as the roof is done, I plan on sending documentation to our agent to get us switched to a “regular” insurance company and hopefully reduce that premium substantially.

We had issues with our Commercial Liability Umbrella Policy issuance this year. It was all due to the company’s poor communication. They asked for a new document to be completed, which I did in less than a day. Then I heard nothing from them until a cancellation notice for not providing supporting documentation. I had to scramble to gather all the documents, only for them to not even review my information timely and cancel the policy. They reissued with no lapse in coverage, but goodness that’s so frustrating that they can do whatever they want with no repercussions. In that process, we learned that one of our houses isn’t included in the CLUP because that insurance company’s rating fell below a reasonable threshold. So now I’m shopping for insurance for that house.

I had to pay one property’s insurance of $270 (it’s a townhouse with HOA insurance also). I also had to contact one of my escrow accounts to find out why they didn’t pay on time, which is so much fun (and I still don’t have that resolved).

  • TAXES

It’s that time of year again where I have to pay out on KY taxes. Relatively, they’re low amounts, but they add up to a decent amount when you have 4 to pay at once. I’ve issued payment on these, but they haven’t cashed the checks yet (it would be nice if businesses would allow electronic payments without exorbitant fees!).

NET WORTH

We’re over $800k over this time last year. It’s crazy to see that number because I don’t feel comfortable with our finances. I can’t put my finger on it, but I just don’t like how often I need to transfer money out of a savings account to cover obligations in the checking account. It’s just a psychological thing for me. I can’t figure out why I can’t get past it, when I know for sure that we have 18 safety nets out there if we were in a bind.

Last year’s update mentioned that our finances took a big hit between September and October, but this year, we’ve recovered a good bit and increased over $115k from last month. It appears last year I paid off a large credit card balance this month, whereas the large credit card balance pay-off will be December this year. I’ll also have additional charges when the hot tub gets delivered in a few weeks, which will increase our debt.

Fall Break: Smoky Mountains and Gatlinburg

We’re now on school schedules with our oldest starting kindergarten. We wouldn’t have typically taken an October trip without such prompting, but we decided to take advantage of the “down time.” We also became a Central KY cliche, and went down to Gatlinburg.

We aren’t the type who save up for years to go to Disney. We prefer exploring different trails and different towns around the country. We’ve dabbled a bit more in theme park type adventures as the kids are getting older. I had planned to visit Ober. Their ticket prices start at 5 year olds, so we’d only have to pay for 3 out of 5 us. Of all the bigger attraction places there, Ober seemed to give you the most for your money, and I thought it would be entertaining to see the kids attempt ice skating again.

But then with all the hikes we wanted to do, and the National Park Service opening up a main road in Great Smoky Mountains National Park, we decided to skip that. I really wanted time to explore the town itself, and it didn’t seem we’d have time to do Ober and the town. The kids enjoyed walking through the town because there were a ton of pumpkin-head-people, so it became a game to find the next one and get your picture taken.

I was surprised to see that the town’s main road was mostly restaurants and hotels. I thought we’d run into more activities along the way. By the time we found a mini golf place, I didn’t trust that the kids would have held their emotions together to make it enjoyable. We got some ice cream for a job well done and went back into the park for a short hike to a waterfall.

TRIP COST: $656

Our lodging was the east of Gatlinburg in a cabin community. It was $541 for two nights. I’m still at a phase where the kids need a decent bed time, and the baby is still in the high maintenance (needs to be pitch black) phase of sleep. When we book a place, I’m looking for a room that the kids can go to sleep in while Mr. ODA and I aren’t ready for bed, and then a place (closet or extra bathroom, ideally) where I can put the baby. This was a two bedroom, two bathroom cabin.

I brought all our meals with us. So we paid $10 to be in the park for 3 days, $45 for food (treats and travel day food stops), and filled up our gas tank twice while traveling ($60).

GREAT SMOKY MOUNTAINS NATIONAL PARK

In case anyone’s interested in a similar trip, here’s what we did.

We traveled from central KY, so our first stop before we got to Gatlinburg was the Foothills Parkway. Mr. ODA actually worked on the Foothills Parkway when we were first dating (14 years ago – yikes!). We ended up going the wrong direction to see the bridges he worked on, but we did find a nice little hike. We went up to Look Rock. It was a quiet trail that wasn’t too long, but it was a nice stretch of our legs. The fog was thick, so we couldn’t see much in the observation platform.

Then we drove to Cade’s Cove Loop in the park. I have zero pictures of this because it was not interesting whatsoever. It was prairies and zero animals except two turkeys. People praise it on all the travel blogs, and we couldn’t figure out the hype. We were hopeful when we reached a choke point that the backup of cars was because we’d see something up ahead, but nothing came to fruition. It was just a waste of over an hour to go 11 miles.

Next we traveled to the Sinks. It was a cool waterfall that you could park right next to, so no hiking necessary.

To finish up the day, we hiked the Laurel Falls Trail. It was really pretty, and I thought it was cool that you could walk right up to the waterfall based on how the water flowed. The trail was 1.2 miles one way, with an elevation gain of 420+ feet. The trail was well traveled. It claimed to be “asphalt.” At some point, it was probably all asphalt, but there have been a lot of washouts. Either all of the trail is missing in some places, or just half the trail in other places. I wouldn’t go into this trail thinking it’ll be easier because it’s paved. Look up a video of what the falls looked like during Hurricane Helene because it’s crazy to see just how much water was flowing only a few days prior to us seeing it. It took us about 90 minutes to do it with 2 little kids walking.

On day 2, we went to Cataract Falls because it was a short walk off the parking lot and we had a little extra time to kill. The kids liked this one too because they could play in the water and rocks at the base of the falls.

The hurricane had closed one of the main roads in the park, but it opened up the second day we were there. It was a nice surprise, so we were able to do Clingman’s Dome. This was a wide, paved trail in great condition. The leaves were starting to change colors, and it was pretty on the bottom half. Near the top of the hike, we were hardly able to see anything because the fog was rolling in and really thick. It was cool to see the clouds float right by you though. It’s 1 mile, round trip. It being relatively short and fully paved is misleading though because it’s basically a hill straight up for a half mile (332 foot elevation gain; their website says it’s about a 13% grade). There are multiple benches along the way for plenty of rests. We made it to the top in about 20 minutes. We then spent about 20 minutes at the top of the tower before heading down. It took us about 20 minutes to get down too. We stopped at a pull out with a NC/TN line marker and explored there for a little while too.

On Day 3, we did Grotto Falls. You take a one lane road to the parking lot, where there are about 10 parking spaces, and they were all full. Since it’s a one lane loop road, there was no waiting for something to open up. We kept driving and parked about 0.4 miles down the road in a pull out. The trail itself was 1.4 miles to the waterfall, so the kids hiked with us for a total of about 3.6 miles. They did awesome and didn’t complain once about the distance. We took our time on the trail and stopped for a while at the top to eat lunch and explore. From the time we left our car to getting back to it was about two hours, so not bad at all.

During our drive back, we drove the other end of the Foothills Parkway and saw all the bridges that Mr. ODA was part of building. No hiking around there, and the pullouts were nice, but didn’t take much time to explore the view.

School Lunch

I grew up in a private school setting, and we didn’t have a cafeteria that made us food to purchase. Everyone once in a while, we’d have “pizza day,” where we could bring in a dollar or two and buy pizza that they had delivered from somewhere. My high school had a full cafeteria that prepared breakfast and lunch to purchase. It was a private school, so there weren’t any state subsidies. All that to say, bringing my lunch to school wasn’t even a thought. I packed a lunch and a snack every morning. In 2nd grade, I started doing that for myself and my sisters because my mom was really sick, and it just stuck as a chore I did.

I have a child who just started Kindergarten last month. Since my background was bringing my lunch to school, I expected to pack his lunch too. He’s bought school lunch just once so far, and it was for his birthday. I figure there will be a few days throughout the year that he’ll want to buy lunch, but so far he’s content with my packing it.

Last week, I was volunteering at the school, and another mom said “I don’t bother packing anything. For $2 they get breakfast and $2.75 they get lunch; I can’t make meals for that little.” And so, this post was born. Now, I don’t know the outcome, but my hypothesis is that what I pack for his meal is less than that. So let’s dive in.

BREAKFAST

First, breakfast for my kids nearly every day is cereal. That’s their preference. For all the things we don’t buy name brand, cereal is one we keep name brand. We buy it on sale on Kroger. Mr. ODA likes to stock up, even though he admits that the sales are every other week and we may not need 5 boxes of Honey Nut Cheerios in our pantry at any given time. 🙂

We paid $2 per regular-sized box. The box says a kids serving size will get 12 servings per box. That would come to $0.17 per bowl. Regardless, I do know that $2 per box is less than $2 for one breakfast though.

My kids don’t eat much for breakfast. At home, they have a snack around 10, a hearty lunch, another snack, and then dinner. They’re really good about eating when they’re hungry and not eating when they’re not. Even when my son got free breakfast at the orientation events, he ate a partial bowl of cereal and some fruit. We go through a lot of fruit in this house. But mornings before school don’t have the time to get fruit and cereal into him. I forced it on testing mornings, but he still wanted to eat just the fruit and nothing of more substance, so I had to bribe him.

LUNCH

This is where fruit comes in. We also have fruit as part of the after school snack.

Here are some options that I mix and match throughout the week (though not exhaustive). I’m also taking suggestions!

  • Yogurt Covered Raisins: $2.97/pack, 6 in a pack = $0.50 each.
  • Clementines: $3.50 per bag. I’m estimating there’s about 20 in a 3 lb bag. $0.18 each.
  • Grapes: We purchase these at $0.98-1.98 per pound. At the high end, for what I pack, I’m going to assume $0.20 per serving I give.
  • Oreos: Family size is $5.28 with maybe 48 cookies (that was a quick google). I put two in his lunch box if I put any at all, so that’s $0.22.
  • Fruit snacks: Honestly, we have a gigantic box that was given to us at some event, and that’s lasted us since the end of last year’s school year. But I’ll include this cost anyway because eventually I’ll buy more. $15.99 at Costco for 90 = $0.18.
  • Applesauce pouches: I buy Walmart’s version of this. $5.68 for 12 pouches = $0.47 each.
  • Peanut butter and jelly sandwich: A jar of peanut butter is $1.94, jelly is $2.74, and bread is $1.42 for 20 slices. The bread is $0.14 per sandwich clearly. The other two are harder to quantify, but both are minimally used per sandwich I make, so let’s say $0.15 total for those, bringing a sandwich to $0.19.
  • Chicken nuggets: $5.97 for a 32 ounce bag. I have no idea how many are in there. The package says 4 nuggets are a serving and there are 12 servings in the bag, so let’s say there are 48 nuggets. That seems low though. That means each nugget is $0.12.
  • Pizza: We seem to have pizza once per week, and there always seems to be 1 or 2 slices left over. $4.97 for the pizza, where we get 8 slices, so $0.62.

If I pack a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, grapes, clementine, and oreos, that’s a total of $0.79. Today I put a PBJ, raisins, grapes, and oreos. He actually got 3 oreos because there were only 3 left in the package; that total came to $1.22. Yesterday’s lunch was 7 nuggets, an applesauce pouch, grapes, and a clementine; that came to $1.69 (actually, that doesn’t include the bit of ranch I put in there, so perhaps add a few cents).

The first few weeks of school, I had been putting more food than this in his lunch box. He had told me he was eating everything, but grandparents day had grandma eating with him so she saw he was throwing some things away. I had asked him repeatedly to tell me what he likes or doesn’t, or if there’s not enough or too much food so that we can make adjustments.

There are other things like puffed corn, chips, and cheez-its that I buy for his snack. He eats lunch at 10:30, so they give him a snack in the classroom at 1:30. There’s no option to buy a snack at the school at this time, so everyone needs to pack their own snack.

SUMMARY

By the time my child gets home from school, I’ve spent approximately $1.80 to feed him for breakfast, lunch, and snack. On the high end, it may be about $2.25. This also assumes that the child is happy to eat all the options presented for the meal. When my son bought his lunch, he ate the orange slices, bread, and half the spaghetti. He didn’t touch the broccoli (that I put on his tray for myself), and he didn’t even pick from all the options presented in the cafeteria line. Whereas I know what I’m packing includes things that he eats regularly at home.

While I agree that $2.75 for a meal is cheap relative to buying at a restaurant or fast food, the assumption that it’s cheaper than what you could pack a lunch for doesn’t appear accurate.

September Financial Update

We have two kids in school now, and my days are chaotic to say the least. I have not figured out my organization of all the “required” activities I have. I’ve written our schedule out several times over the last few weeks. It seems so easy because nothing overlaps, but my days are full of stress. I have 3 little humans’ emotions to manage on top of the organization of activities. Everyone’s tired because this is a change from the summer process. I keep hoping that “next week” will be better, but better isn’t coming. So, I missed last week’s post. I am taking several days to write this post. We’ll see how it goes.

Kid1 went to kindergarten this year, and Kid2 moved up to Pre-K. She went to school two days per week last year, which was $175 per month. Now she goes 5 days per week, which is $375. Since Kid1 is in public school now, I saved $175 per month, right? Mr. ODA is going to hate that line. 🙂

We got hit hard with charges this credit card cycle. I purposely held an insurance payment until our main credit card’s statement started over so that I could feel like it was a less expensive month. I paid that the day $1500+ that the new statement started. Unfortunately, the remaining payment to the electrician also came due on that day, and that was $1,766 hitting the card at the same time. Mr. ODA went on a work trip, which gets reimbursed, but that hotel is still increasing the credit card balance. A gift for the grandparents keeping the kids while we went to NY last month, three invoices for rental work, and our YMCA membership are all on there. Our actual spending on things outside these costs is quite low, but it doesn’t look that way with the credit card balance.

I hit 100% of August rent paid as of August 30th. So I knew that I wasn’t going to be at 100% for September right away. I have one tenant who still owes half her rent, which is hopefully be paid over the next week and a half. They have blue collar jobs and seem to be caught up in layoffs. But they get a ton of credit because they always get right back up. They just ask me for a few weeks during that transition period, and I can’t respect that enough. They’re late a few times each year, but I’ve never charged them a late fee.

NET WORTH

Our net worth is up almost $600k from this time last year. From last month, it has increased by about $50k. Our credit card balance is similar to last month. Our cash has decreased a good amount as we had a roof replacement get paid out, but otherwise most line items moved in the ‘right’ direction.

Summer Trips

In 2021, we looked to buy a lake house. We tried so hard to find something, and we almost settled on something that didn’t fully make us happy. It was March or April of that year, and we finally stepped back and said, “instead of buying a house here that we feel pressured to come to every weekend, what if we just went on vacation more.” Up until that point, we traveled a good bit, but it was typically with a purpose instead of just traveling for the sake of seeing somewhere new (e.g., one of us tagging along on work travel). We calculated that our mortgage payment on that second house would be $1200 per month. That was our budget for travel each month. I wrote a whole post about it.

Then I got pregnant and we bought a new primary residence in the summer of 2022. Almost all our ‘travel’ that summer was just us going to the new house to work on it before we moved in. Then the summer of 2023 was spent recovering from the newborn phase of that third kid that was unbelievably painful. I was just happy to be sleeping and in a routine again, and I wasn’t willing to leave home much and risk lack of sleep.

We made up for it this summer.


JUNE: MD, NY, OH, MI $1,251

Our first trip of the summer was two weeks long. I was so nervous to manage 3 kids (one of which is still a high maintenance sleeper) and a dog for that long, but I had hoped it would be fine if I prepared correctly. We hit four states.

Our son was on the Oriole’s for his baseball team this spring, so that became his favorite MLB team. It just so happened that they were playing at home on our drive from KY to NY (meaning, if we really wanted to, Baltimore could be on the way). As an added bonus, they were playing the Braves, which is Mr. ODA’s favorite team. So we made that work. We booked a hotel in Baltimore that was pet friendly and walking distance to the stadium, and then we bought the tickets. Actually, we bought two tickets for 5 of us to go. The Oriole’s stadium has a program where if you buy a ticket in the upper section, you can have up to two free tickets for kids up to 9 years old. It’s an incredible program. The detour cost us more in tolls than we’d typically spend on our route. It was worth it. Our son watched the whole game and was so happy with it.

Then we traveled to NY. There’s no lodging cost there because we stay at my dad’s house. We went to the local team’s baseball game one night, hung out at the beach one night, had two cookouts, and went to my cousin’s bridal shower. The bridal shower was the reason for the trip. The Michigan component then was booked as the other side of the family’s annual trip. It didn’t make sense for us to drive home from NY and then back up to MI, so we just buckled up for the two weeks gone. We didn’t eat at any restaurants while we were in NY, so our costs were a couple of grocery trips and our family cookouts.

The trip from NY to MI was 13.5 hours without any stops, so we didn’t want to push the kids that far. We typically do the KY to NY trip in one day. That takes 13-14 hours depending on traffic and our stops. It would take about 11.5-12 hours without kids. We usually do two quick stops and one longer meal out of the car when we drive straight through. But with it starting at 13+ hours, I didn’t want to risk it. Plus, I wanted to arrive in Michigan around check in time, which would have us leaving NY at about 2 am. I covet my kids’ sleep too much to risk that one!

Our stop on the way was Cuyahoga Falls, OH. Again, we needed to find something that was pet friendly without charging us $175 to have the dog there for 14 hours. We found a hotel that didn’t charge for a pet, and it appears that’s because they don’t really care about cleanliness. The room was disgusting. The mirrors looked like they’d never been cleaned, the counters had someone’s old rice on them, the door wasn’t fully attached to its hinges, and the sinks didn’t drain. At least the bedding was clean (I inspected closely). I was grateful to only be there for 14 hours.

We went hiking that morning and then headed to MI, dropping the dog off at a sitter on the way there. We use Rover to find a sitter, which is where the sitter takes the dog into their house. I appreciate this type of care/attention than a kennel; we’ve used this service for 11 years now.

Our MI trip was Mr. ODA’s family trip for the year. His parents treat us to the house, and the kids’ families cover the food. Usually our trip doesn’t involve many extra expenses, but this year we sought out a place with activities, so there was a lot of money spent. We went on a dune buggy ride, walked a windmill island, went to a little ‘dutch village’ theme park, picked cherries, and spent a lot of time at the beach. We usually eat all our meals at the AirBnB, but we did have two meals out and lots of ice cream this time around. Honestly, it was the best trip we’ve taken in a while. I appreciated the ‘vacation’ aspect of it, where we did things around the area and had fun with activities.


JULY: VA $570

This was actually a work trip. Last summer, we didn’t make it to Richmond to do property walk throughs because our baby was such a handful. We’ve had a lot of work done over the last year, and there were a few things noted by tenants that are just easier for us to handle in a few minutes than pay someone hundreds to handle.

We cleaned the siding on multiple houses, checked some gutters, replaced a few things, and painted a front door and front porch. It was a 3 night trip, and we put about 20 hours worth of work into it. It was hard to juggle the work that needed to be done, having 3 kids in tow, and a heat index of over 110 each day, but we got what we could get done. I wrote a post about the work we did earlier this summer. Our expenses were the hotel ($401), gas, and food. We actually had a surprisingly low food expense on this trip considering we stayed in a hotel (lack of kitchen and time).

While there, we were able to see a few of our old friends. However, we planned this trip fairly last minute and had to fit it around other activities already scheduled at home, so we didn’t get as much ‘play’ time as we’d prefer.


JULY: CO $3,350

Mr. ODA’s brother wanted to celebrate his 40th birthday by hiking 14-ers in Colorado. He invited a few people to join, and Mr. ODA spent the first half of this year getting in shape for that activity. Honestly, in January, this idea seemed so far away, so it was exciting when the moment arrived. Mr. ODA wanted to go out earlier than the trip’s original itinerary to acclimate to the change in elevation. That’s where I came in.

We booked a flight for all 5 of us to fly out there on the 18th (well, the baby was free). We spent the weekend around the Denver area, and then I flew home with the kids on the 22nd, while he stayed to hang out with his brother’s crew.

We had to buy flights, rent a car, book lodging, and buy groceries/meals. We did more-than-average entertainment for this trip with a concert and baseball game, so that increased our expenses.

On our first full day, we visited Mount Blue Sky, which is a drive up to the top of a 14er (a summit above 14,000 feet). It was a really unique and cool experience. On Saturday, we hiked at Red Rocks and went to a concert at Ball Arena. On Sunday, we went to a Rockies game and walked around Denver. It was a great trip, and the kids were troopers through all the fun.


AUGUST: NY $430

My cousin got married in NY. Typically, I’d take this opportunity to get my whole family to NY to see my side of the family. However, our oldest started school already, and I didn’t want him to miss any of that, especially on day 3. The whole family flying to NY is expensive, plus we’d have to figure out the babysitting need for while we’re at the wedding. While I have a few people I could call on, it’s more difficult when the intent is for the closest adults I know to be at the wedding.

We booked direct flights for Mr. ODA and me to fly out Friday afternoon and come back Sunday afternoon. We had the kids stay with grandparents for the two nights, and this way the grandparents didn’t have to manage any kid activities except getting our oldest off the bus. Our two flights cost $376.40, and it included a checked bag if we wanted it because of our American Airlines credit card rewards. Parking at the airport is $11 per day, so that was $33. Our original plan was to take the train from JFK to where my dad’s house is, but we pivoted because he offered to pick us up and take us out to dinner. Our meals were covered except for on the way out and the way back, and one coffee I purchased while there. It was a nice little trip where we had fun and could just focus on that versus managing the kids’ schedule, so I appreciated that.


Mr. ODA had two work trips this summer on top of all that we did as a family. Those net us income instead of expenses, so I won’t go into them. I mention it just to point out how busy and entertained we were. I’d say we’re looking forward to winding down, but now baseball and gymnastics start up on top of managing kids at two different schools. But I’m loving it and looking forward to what this next season brings.

Buying versus Renting

I have a tenant who, in the same day, told me that she couldn’t pay rent on time and asked whether she could buy the house. She said she paid $60,000 to me and that could have gone towards owning a house. While I understand the lump sum of what you paid being a pain point, owning a house isn’t that simple. I thought I’d break down a comparison of what she would have done to own this house versus her renting it over the last several years.

RENT HISTORY

Based on the proximity to Main St and the comps in the area, we went into the purchase expecting about $1,000 per month in rent. At the 1% Rule (where you set monthly rent at 1% of your purchase price), we should have been at $1,020. Knowing that it was October/November by the time we would get it rented (there aren’t as many people looking for a new rental in the Fall, after school has started and holiday activities are ramping up) we chose to list it at $975 and keep it below that 4 digit threshold. It sat for 3.5 weeks with hardly any activity, and we dropped it to $875. We found a tenant in under 2 weeks then, but we weren’t thrilled amount our cash flow on it.

The tenant’s lease started on November 1, 2019. Her rent was $875. My property manager incorrectly established a one-year term lease instead of an 18-month lease like she was supposed to, so we had to do a 6-month extension after the first year. Then in March 2021, we tried to increase the rent to $900, and she complained that due to the pandemic, she couldn’t afford that. We let it go and she renewed a year lease at $875.

Come February 2022, we were significantly under market value for rent and she hadn’t been a friendly tenant, so we were content pushing a raise to $950. If she didn’t want to pay that, she was free to leave and we would take the vacancy hit to fix it up and get it re-rented. She complained about the increase, and our property manager told her to take a few days to look around to see if she could find somewhere to rent that was at a price she would feel more comfortable with. She came back and said she couldn’t find anything and accepted the increase to $950.

Not including a few late fees she has owed over the last nearly-five-years, she’s paid us $52,850. While in total that appears to be a significant number, that number does not mean that you’d have $52k in equity in a home had you paid towards a mortgage.

OUR PURCHASE INFORMATION

We paid $102,000 for the house in 2019. We asked for several options for the loan structure. We asked about putting 20% versus 25% down, and whether the rate for a 15 year, 20 year, or 30 year loan would have the best rate. Going through those details is something I’ve done in the past, so for this purpose I’ll just note that we chose to put 25% down because then we didn’t need to “buy down” the rate. The rate for each loan length was 4.55%. With no incentive to do a shorter loan term (and therefore increase our monthly payment), we chose the 30 year term. I do want to note that our interest rate is higher than the average for 2019 (3.9%) because it was an investment property and not a loan for a primary residence.

Based on the 25% down and the closing costs, we had to come to the table with $26,589.12.

Our mortgage was $538.46, which includes escrow. We paid off this loan fairly soon after we closed on it, so we don’t have a monthly mortgage payment. However, I do need to plan for our current mortgage and insurance payments each year, which is currently over $2,000.

FACTORS TO CONSIDER

To keep this more consistent in the message, note that the loan discussed will be based on the purchase price of $102,000.

First, you need to have favorable credit to qualify for the mortgage. In an example, the lowest credit score I could plug in was 620. However, in much of what I’ve read, anything below 680 is questionable on qualification. Our requirement to rent a property is to have a credit score of 600. Perhaps there are lenders that will process a mortgage if your credit score is below 620, but you’re going to pay a premium via the interest rate.

With a credit score of 780, say you’ll have a rate of 6%. But then with a score of 680, you’re looking at 6.5%. At 6%, your principal and interest payment (doesn’t include the escrow required) would be $599.19. At 6.5%, it goes to $631.69. That’s only $32.50 per month extra; over 30 years, that’s an extra $11,700 paid to the bank. I have some tenants where an extra $32 per month is a big deal.

Without at least 20% down on a loan, you’ll likely have to pay private mortgage insurance (PMI). This amount could add a monthly premium to your mortgage payment anywhere from 0.2% to 6%. I did a quick calculator with the example of $102,000 purchase price, $3,060 down (typically the lowest available without any special loan structures is 3%), and a credit score of 620 (lowest it allowed). The PMI was calculated as $187 each month.

I mentioned that our final closing costs were over $26k. If I remove our down payment, that leaves $1,089 in closing costs. I will note though, that our contract had $2,000 in seller subsidy (a credit). Without that purchase agreement structure, that means your closing costs are actually $3,089. This means that you need to come to the table with $6,149. Buying a house is not like buying a car where you can roll all the costs into the loan, and I feel like people don’t realize this.

Your debt to income ratio also plays a factor in whether you can qualify and what your interest rate would be. So even with a decent credit score, you need to show a low debt-to-income ratio, meaning you can’t have your credit cards maxed out. The lender wants to see that you don’t have high monthly costs that would prevent you from paying your mortgage.

That brings me to the flexibility of paying rent. She paid $475 worth of August rent (due August 1st, with a grace period to August 5th before a late fee is owed) on August 20th. If you pay your mortgage late, there’s a late fee and it gets reported to the credit bureaus. Your late payment of rent doesn’t get reported to anyone. She also has the extra advantage that I’m willing to work with her on late payments. An apartment complex type owner is going to immediately file for eviction on the 6th without full rent payment, regardless of your story.

SUMMARY

While a mortgage payment of $538.46 looks favorable against a rent payment of $950, it’s not that simple. I was able to qualify for the mortgage, qualify for a favorable interest rate, and put significant money down.

If I add a premium to the rate we were able to get, assuming my tenant’s credit score is similar to what it was when she rented our house, and then add the PMI that would be applied by not having 20% down, then the mortgage payment (including escrow) would have been $903.02. PMI stays on the mortgage until you reach 78% loan to value ratio (unless you pay for an appraisal and can prove 80% earlier than that). That threshold in this example is $79,560. That principal balance would be achieved in over 11 years, which means you’ve paid $25,058 for essentially nothing.

Then on top of paying these premiums for the mortgage, she would need to pay for the maintenance of the property herself, which is included in my rent factors. I’ve paid over $3,000 for repairs and maintenance on the house over the last 5 years (which is fairly low). However, that includes a deck replacement that we did ourselves and probably would have cost $4,000 instead of the $400 we paid in materials.

So the next time you think that you could be paying half of your rent with a loan, know that you’re not looking at the whole story. There are many factors that go into a mortgage, especially the initial ability to qualify for such loan.

August Financial Update

Many of our activities over this last month were already paid for or minimal cost. We went to Colorado, and we’ve been doing back to school type activities. Mr. ODA was in Colorado longer than the rest of us (I flew home on my own with 3 kids!), and he went on a work trip for a week, so my goal has been activities outside of the house as much as possible in this final stretch before school starts. We’ve had quite a few activities on rental properties too.

RENTAL PROPERTIES

Historically, if the 1st through 5th of the month falls on a Friday, that’s the day that I receive rent. Meaning, if the 3rd is a Friday, then I get rent that day. This month, the 2nd was on Friday. I received very little rent. Going into the 5th, I was still waiting on 60% of rent payments; I was already told by 3 tenants (making up 23% of that amount I’m waiting on), that rent will be late this month. Luckily, 2 of those 3 tenants had paid partial rent already. That left 4 houses going into the 5th that hadn’t paid and I hadn’t heard from. That’s more than normal and was a bit worrisome. By the time of this post, I’m missing nearly $2,000 worth of rent, which is over 10%.

We’ve had several small actions that needed attention from our handyman, so I paid out on that. We had an AC go out before a hot weekend, so we had our technician go out and fix that (I haven’t seen that bill, but it’s expected to be around $1,000). Mr. ODA went out to a local house to properly fix their kitchen cabinets that were apparently never installed correctly (before we owned the house) to install them into the studs.

I was called for a garbage disposal that wasn’t working, and I attempted the fix on my own. I was nervous going into it, but I successfully fixed it in about two minutes. That felt good. I also went out to check on a roof replacement at a local house, and Mr. ODA replaced their deck. This tenant doesn’t communicate well whatsoever with us. She said “the deck is in bad shape.” That was it. Didn’t send a picture, didn’t give any details. I went out to check on it, and the deck stairs were hardly sturdy and none of the pickets were installed anymore around the decking part (it’s more of a landing than a deck when you think of size). It’s infuriating that people could not communicate such a dire issue. Most of my tenants do a great job, but this is why annual inspections are necessary.

PERSONAL ACTIVITIES

It has been a crazy month! I have thrived with the busy scheduled and a sense of accomplishment.

I was elected to our Homeowner’s Association board of directors this past month. I’ve spent a significant amount of my time going through that information and trying to get things organized and back on a schedule. I had my first meeting on the Landlord/Tenant Advisory Committee. And I joined on with a start-up school to be their financial consultant.

We signed our oldest kid up for Fall Ball and our second for gymnastics. She did acro last year, but I said all year that she would thrive better in actual gymnastics where they do more activities than dance. Our oldest started kindergarten, which is really exciting. That also required a lot of attention between back-to-school activities and paperwork to be filled out. I ran a 5k with zero training (I had run 1.4 miles the week leading up to the race), but my friend and I beat last year’s time by 5 minutes!

We worked on our own deck. A tree fell on it last July. We had to get our insurance company to understand our issue and fully cover the repairs that were necessary (it took them forever to get an engineer involved instead of all different adjusters). We finally got started in March on the replacement. After weeks and weeks and weeks of our contractor working on it, he finally ghosted us because he couldn’t get the waterproofing to be waterproof. So this past weekend, we tore up our deck boards and repairs the waterproofing issue. It’s supposed to rain this weekend, so hopefully we’ll see that our fix worked finally. Once we prove to ourselves that no water is getting down there, we can have the electricity finished. We also built a little wall to hide the storage being kept under the stairs under the deck, which was cool.

NET WORTH

Obviously, our investment accounts diminished slightly since last month, as the stock market has been a constant discussion point recently. Last August, my updated said: Our overall net worth went down slightly from last month because of market fluctuation. So this seems to be a typical cycle! Last year it was offset by a large insurance check we received, while this year our cash balance is much lower from last month to this month.

I have about $9k to still pay out on a roof replacement (insurance is covering most of it), about $1k to pay to a plumber, and a couple of other odd jobs that are waiting on invoicing. Our net worth isn’t 100% accurate this month because I don’t have access to a few accounts (well, I have the log in and password, but it requires either text or email verification to get logged in, and Mr. ODA holds those and isn’t available – annoying!). I also have a $1500+ insurance payment to make, but I’m purposely holding off until this credit card statement cycle ends so that I can feel like one month isn’t a crazy high balance.

To update our net worth, I have spreadsheets set up that I overwrite from last year. Last year’s August update had our net worth at $3.78 million. So even though this month is over $27k less than last month, we’re still up over $500k from a year ago without any drastic changes in investment portfolio.